In this conversation, Ralph Schoellhammer speaks with Stefan Auer about the complexities of European integration, the challenges posed by crises, and the implications of nationalism and identity politics in the context of the European Union. Auer discusses his book ‘European Disunion’ and reflects on the current state of Europe, emphasising the need for a more realistic approach to integration and the dangers of ignoring the political realities that shape national identities and sovereignty.