In this episode of Interference, we look into one of Europe’s most fascinating political transformations. Giorgia Meloni rose from a party with post-fascist roots, built her brand as a fierce Eurosceptic, and campaigned on hardline positions, especially on migration. But today, she stands aligned with the European establishment, friendly with Ursula von der Leyen, pro-Ukraine, pro-NATO, and increasingly central to EU power politics. So what happened? Has Meloni genuinely changed her worldview, or is she simply playing the long strategic game?
Joining us in the studio is Luca Steinmann, an Italian reporter for Brussels Signal. Luca breaks down the political evolution of Meloni’s party, the lessons she learned from previous right-wing leaders, and the delicate balancing act she must perform between her voter base and the expectations of Brussels and Washington.
We also talk about the leaked conversation from inside the Italian presidency hinting at a possible plan to replace Meloni before the next election. How real was it? And what does it tell us about Italy’s ongoing struggle between democratic majorities and external pressure?
